Thusieon April 28, 2007
Tom you first sentence after ::: is spot on. While I say 'I just crop' I agonize over cropping maybe cropping a shot 4 or 5 times before I'm at least ok with it. Even with that someone here will often come up with a better idea and that is super! One of the things I love about CCC are the ideas and critique, something I have really missed on DP.
Keep it up folks!!!!!
The Curious Camel aka gailon April 28, 2007
Tom, I was not offended at all. I like that you take the time to make suggestions. I'm glad you brought this up because it makes me take a second look and be more aware of how I crop.
Please, please continue to be who you are and being honest about it all.
I might --- MIGHT be able to explain it better but I doubt it. You seem to have done a fine job explaining why you think a square crop or even a 1.25 (8x10) in not as strong a crop as some others.
It just so happens that a regular aspect ratio monitor is 1.25 and until wide screen monitors and TV's were a big thing the 1.25 ratio was a widely accepted format. Interestingly enough my current LPS entry happens to be 1.25 ratio more because I built it that way.
One thing is for sure I think this beautiful photo of the Cormorant type bird has spurred on more discussion than possibly any other so far.
Thank you for being so candid and willing to suggest ideas (ALL OF YOU)!!!!!
surely Sean or someone else could explain this better than me:::: a properly exposed and preferably beautiful subject goes a long way, but a pleasant presentation is also important to a great photograph. one of the old Greek geeks determined that the most pleasing aspect ratio to the human eye is a tad over 1.6. most digital cameras are 1.5 or 1.33. common frames range from 1.25 for 8X10 to 1.5 for 4x6. there must be a reason for all this, so most of my crop suggestions are geared to achieve these ratios. sometimes, i find it easier or necessary to crop square, but prefer to not. there's the occasional odd one for a special 'look', but generally i try to stay within the bounds of the 'rules'.
i always try to be honest about what i think and assume you all are the same with me and each other. lots of the 'art' stuff is beyond me, but the math part make sense. since i don't understand light and composition that well (yet), all i really feel somewhat comfortable to opine on is the overall structure of a photograph or the occasional out of place stick or rock (huh - structure, again?). perhaps my suggestions aren't always welcome, but that's ok, as long as you know that i did put in time and thought before suggesting something. i sincerely try to contribute to 'make it better'.
The Curious Camel aka gailon April 27, 2007
Wow, I just crop the shots I have on here a lot of times so you can see my subject better. If I am going to print I'll crop to size.
please excuse my secretary for the typos -- there should be a . after 1.25 in the first line and i'm not quite sure why she insisted on inserting 'go' before rub. makes no sense to me......
i didn't actually measure it until now - it just looked square on my screen - it's 1.195; an 8x10 is 1.25 on my landscapes, i try for 1.4 to 1.6 and think 1.25 looks good for portraits, but even that (1.25) starts looking square in landscape orientation. of course there are exceptions and somtimes i do go square, but there has to be a good reason. as i said earlier, squares look ok on a monitor, but i think they go rub some artistic rules.
son April 27, 2007
Until I need to print and frame an image I usually do the same, "just crop" but when you put printing and framing into the equation you need to think about how you want to frame it before deciding on a crop. 5x7, 8x10, 11x14, 16x20 are all sizes that can be bought off the shelf and are much less costly than a custom framing job.
Thusieon April 27, 2007
Well gee that's nice..I never think of crop ratio, I just crop:-)
This ratio is very close to an 8x10 ratio which I agree is not the most alluring of ratios, obviously I prefer 1:3 and 1:2 ratios. The 8x10 ratio is used more commonly because it will fit in a generic frame quite easily and I suspect that is the reasoning behind why we see the 8x10 ratio so much.